29 comments for “Michigan Freedom To Work Video

  1. July 1, 2011 at 9:20 am
    • JGillman
      July 1, 2011 at 9:31 am

      Your piece is factually incorrect. About the only truth was that there were paid union workers to protest the roll out of this liberty enhancing legislative push.

      Morally, equitably, and financially, this is a good thing for Michigan. There are companies that will NOT set up shop here because it is a forced unionism state.

      Anyhow look, the five top job gaining states are all right to work. Texas gained 866,000 new jobs while Michigan lost 800,000 according to the Detroit News (5/19/2011). Michigan ranks 50, last, in job growth and first in job losses (Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Labor). I 1990-2008 Private sector job growth in right to work states was 44.3% while forced union states lost 23.3% of their jobs. The statistics clearly show that the best way to win jobs is to have Freedom To Work. If Michigan becomes the first freedom to work state in the midwest, jobs will flock to our state.

      Then Freedom To Work is the right and the opportunity to work for more. It also will provide more jobs. More jobs is more income for more people and more families. Freedom To Work will significantly increasing income and payrolls in Michigan. Michigan is at the bottom for private sector income growth, below every right to work state. Between 2000 and 2009 personal income went up 53.3% in right to work states and only 40.6% in forced union states (“Boeing and the Union Berlin Wall”, Wall Street Journal, 5/13/2011). Many new union jobs are at $8.00 to $ 14.00 per hour. That is barely a living wage. The unions are not providing high paid secure jobs as they used to. Freedom To Work will reward good, hard woking productive workers with higher merit income.

      And frankly You are outnumbered on this. According to a recent EPIC/MRI poll nearly 40% of Democrats in Michigan support or do not oppose right to work as do more than 80% of the Republicans. Freedom To Work has significant support within union membership and certainly among the state’s citizens.

      What was interesting is the statement made in a power point by the Teamsters: “30% of our members support Right To Work.”

      Cash money.

      • July 1, 2011 at 11:47 am

        Paid union worker?” Do you have any proof of that? If they were, great; that’s 100 jobs. Granted, it’s not nearly equal to the amount of jobs the Republicans have killed in the last couple of weeks with that awful budget, but it’s a start.

        “Liberty enhancing legislative push?” Please. It’s a good thing for corporations, bad for the rest of the 98 percent of Michigan residents. Again, there is no such thing as forced unionization. You vote for a union, and if you are in the minority, you still have to pay union dues, just like I’m stuck with Snyder, Hune and Denby; I can’t opt out of taxes because my candidate lost. Why do people like you continue to want something for nothing?

        Job growth? Funny, of the five states with unemployment rates higher than Michigan, three are right to work for less states, including Nevada at No. 1. “Jobs will jobs will flock to our state?” Bullshit. Why aren’t they flocking to Nevada, Florida or Mississippi? http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

        Really? Right to work for less will “increase income and payrolls in Michigan?” Then why are people in right to work for less states making an average of $5,900 less in annual salary, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics?

        Really; I’m outnumbered on this? Then why didn’t the petition drive in 2008 go forward? Those lies and misinformation you are spreading are helping your cause, but you are not fooling the majority. How does it feel to be a stooge for rich corporations? I thought that was one reason the so-called “tea party” movement started.

        For once in your life why don’t you be honest and just admit this is to kill unions because they tend to support those who support working people. Democrats?

        • JGillman
          July 1, 2011 at 11:56 am

          Household income: (hint top 5 are RTW states)

          Nevada $64,131
          Alabama 61,604
          Virginia 60,392
          Texas 58,491
          Arkansas 56,134

          Michigan $56,090

          Source: U.S. Census Bureau

          • July 3, 2011 at 11:49 am

            What is the point of that stat? The fact remains that wage earners – and that is who unions protect – earn less than in right to work for less states.

            I notice you ducked every single question, so here’s one more: why do you hate democracy so much? Trying to paint this is a freedom issue would be funny if it were not so dishonest.

          • Jason Gillman Jr.
            July 3, 2011 at 5:02 pm

            Lulz “why do you hate democracy so much?”

            Democracy = me being able to decide if I want my business to negotiate or not negotiate with a union.

    • July 4, 2011 at 1:08 pm

      Democracy = a majority – note that word majority – of workers vote – note that word vote – to form a union to band together to sell their labor at the best price.

      Again, why do you hate democracy and freedom so much?

      • JGillman
        July 4, 2011 at 3:12 pm

        Freedom? How could 50% plus one, voting to pay a third party for the privilege of keeping one’s job, called freedom? What about those folks who want no part of it? Should they lose their jobs? Right, I thought not.

        Really, Kevy spark up the ol grey matter and deal with the hypocrisy.

        Freedom is a right. The “protection racket” known as unions infringes on that right. No amount of voting can take away a right. Even though the right to work is already there, it has been ignored. This type of legislation gives the protection of the freedom to choose to contribute to the unions or not without fear of being discriminated against. Why do you support discrimination Kevy?

        The unions use compulsion to make people support their agendas outside of the workplace. The money paid in supports whatever the union bosses support. Even if the worker doesn’t like it. And the few pennies on the dollar that a worker can request returned for political activities is bs. The dues even labeled for negotiating is forced FROM the workers and used often in ways those workers don’t like. What is it about Taxation Without Representation that you adore Kevy me boy?


        Oh and by the way.. Communism is NOT democratic.

        Have a great 4th of July.

        • July 4, 2011 at 5:20 pm

          Exactly, freedom to work for less; which is what this is all about. Again, how does it feel to be a corporate stooge? By your logic, I don’t have to pay taxes or follow a single law passed by this state Legislature or signed by this governor; I didn’t vote for any of them.

          But unlike you, I don’t want something for nothing.

          The only hypocrisy is from you. Are really that stupid or are you just playing? A” protection racket?” I guess it is; protection from being exploited by an employer. Again, you do not have to join a union, but you have to pay for the protection and privileges it provides. Again, why should you get something for nothing?

          I don’t support discrimination, J boy, that’s why I’m pro union; just like Martin Luther King when he said “In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, such as ‘right to work.’ It is a law to rob us of our civil rights and job rights.”

          No, there is nothing more democratic in the workplace than unions, and that is probably why you hate them so much. You vote to form a union, you vote for the people who represent you in a union and you vote for who they endorse. There is no “representation without representation,” J boy.

          I agree, Communism is NOT democratic and no one ever said it was. I spent most of my adult life fighting Communism.

          Once again, for once in your life why don’t you just be honest and just admit that this attack on workers is just a ploy to kill unions because they tend to support those who support working people; Democrats?

          Shouldn’t you be busy going after the evil Rotary and 4-H kids?

          • JGillman
            July 4, 2011 at 9:55 pm

            You said: “I spent most of my adult life fighting Communism.”

            You should now qualify that with a single word; “FOR”

          • July 5, 2011 at 7:52 am

            That’s your answer? What a loser. Like I said, I actually fought against Communism during the Cold War; actions, not words, like you.

          • JGillman
            July 5, 2011 at 8:55 am

            Yeah, I thought about my response. Not cool.

            What a shame you dishonor your previous actions.

          • July 5, 2011 at 10:06 am

            Sorry, unlike you, I have always defended my country, coward. Let me know if you ever have any facts to debate with and can answer a few basic questions. I guess we know why your attack on freedom will fail.

          • JGillman
            July 5, 2011 at 10:29 am

            Is that all you have?

            If you want to defend your country, take a look at what has destroyed it. Forced “equalization” through measures like forced unionism.

            The “Great Society” as Johnson put it ended the greatness of the City of Detroit. Forced unionism ravaged the automakers to a point where they had to be bailed out by the taxpayers. forced unionism has cut out the entrepreneurial aspects of employees who want to get ahead on the merit of their work, so they flee to freedom to work states. Companies prefer to settle in RTW states because they can get the best out of their workforce, and the unions are more answerable to the workers.

            Still trying to figure out where you get “Freedom” from forcing a person to pay union dues.

            I think you simply have a disconnect. I long ago gave up on trying to convince you, but the argument that I am attacking freedom while I am fighting for it is nonsensical. I gave you stats that are available on the government websites. And frankly, even in absence of those statistics, there is a moral argument. A question of WHY should I have to pay Johnny for the right to have a job with Ray, and THEN be stuck with the deal that Johnny set up, if my own efforts could reward me better?

            Keep insulting, keep thinking the utopian socialist everyone is equal measures are sufficient, and keep coming in last.

        • July 4, 2011 at 5:44 pm

          What are you afriad of, J boy?

          • JGillman
            July 4, 2011 at 9:52 pm

            Talking about the comment not appearing?

            It was because my spam filters couldn’t tell the difference between your comment and the porno spam apparently. I found in the junk file.

          • July 5, 2011 at 7:53 am

            One word: bullshit.

      • Jason Gillman Jr.
        July 5, 2011 at 10:32 am

        So… based on your definition, democracy means that I do not have the ability to decide whether or not I want my business to negotiate with a union?

        • July 6, 2011 at 8:03 am

          Yes. A union is the legal entity to represent the workers after a majority of workers held a democratic vote and a majority of them voted to have a union represent them in contract negotiations.

          • JGillman
            July 6, 2011 at 8:11 am

            Thus imposing their “democracy” on the workers who do not agree.

            Got it.

          • July 6, 2011 at 8:55 am


          • Jason Gillman Jr.
            July 6, 2011 at 9:48 am

            So then, you are saying that one class of people have more rights than another class?

            That certainly doesn’t seem very fair to me.

  2. JGillman
    July 5, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Now Kevy that’s not a nice word to use on a family friendly site.

    If I was hiding your comments I would admit as much. Have I EVER denied your posting ability? Right, I thought not. Not even as vile as the comments become on my site. I actually prefer to let the words speak for themselves.

    • July 6, 2011 at 8:01 am

      This sewer is a “family friendly site?” Again, bullshit. The answer is yes, you were hiding them. Really, you consider the word bullshit vile? You “prefer to let the words speak for themselves?” In other words, you can’t counter a single word I have written, can you Jay Boy.

      I can’t wait to see your right to work for less resolution go down in flames. What’s really amazing is someone who hates government as much as you is in government, but what is even more amazing is that there were people naive enough to actually vote for you. The only solace is that you will only get one term.

      • JGillman
        July 6, 2011 at 8:18 am

        You are a decidedly ungracious guest.

        I have allowed you freedom to comment on this site, under my control, that is paid for by my efforts, that is my site, and it simply emboldens you to be more profane and repugnant. The hate you have for liberty, freedom, common sense and frankly decency is really sad.

        I feel sorry for you.

        And I have revoked your posting ability.

        Perhaps that is what you have wanted me to do in the first place, so you could go pewl about how mean conservatives are, and how they don’t allow free speech. I guess you win.

        • July 6, 2011 at 8:53 am

          I knew that was coming. You are a typical Republican, when you can’t win on the facts and get beat in a debate, you ban them. It’s sad that you seized on a harmless word like “bullshit” as your excuse. You are such a coward.

          The hate you have for liberty, freedom, common sense and frankly decency is really sad.

        • Jason Gillman Jr.
          July 6, 2011 at 9:53 am

          Aww shucks, I wanted to see him try and weasel his way out of his thoughts that one group of people having more rights than another is legit.

  3. July 6, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Is that all I have? It’s enough for reasonable people with an open mind, but that does not include you.

    First, I don’t think the country is destroyed, but what is harming it is the huge gap between the rich and the rest of us. There is less of a gap between the rich and the working class in banana republics like Nicaragua, Venezuela and Guyana than in the U.S. In 1965 the average CEO was earning 24 times what the average worker was making. But by 2001 the C.E.O.’s of the largest American companies earned an average of 531 times as much as the average worker. If this country is going to be destroyed, that is what is going to destroy it.

    Based on those facts, where is this “forced equalization?”

    I have never stopped defending my country. There is no such thing as “forced unionism.” Workers vote to form a bargaining union, and the majority rules. If you do not want to be part of that union, don’t join, but why do you get to enjoy the benefits it provides for free? Just be honest for once in your life and admit this is just about killing unions. How does it feel to be a corporate stooge?

    The Great Society ended the greatness of the City of Detroit? That is so much crap. I don’t believe companies prefer to go to right to work for less states, and the facts bear that out. Some bad companies prefer to go there so they can pay less, but good ones prefer to go where there is a good, trained and skilled workforce. That would be non-RTWFL states. As for all of those alleged jobs going to RTWFL state, how do you explain the fact that of the five states with unemployment rates higher than Michigan, three are right to work for less states, including Nevada at No. 1

    “Still trying to figure out where you get “Freedom” from forcing a person to pay union dues?” Really? Why do you hate democracy so much? Answer my question why I have to pay taxes and follow laws enacted and signed by this Michigan Legislature and this Governor? I did not vote for a signal person in it. That seems to be the argument you are making.

    I don’t have a “disconnect.” You have not presented a single fact to back up your position. I also gave you stats, and you ignored them. A moral argument? And what is that? Screw democracy, and let the corporations do whatever they want?

    Your Ray and Johnny example makes so sense.

    Keep insulting? I will, but you have done the same thing. Calling working people simply trying to get the best pay and benefits they can for their labor thugs is not insulting? I’m not out trying to provoke violence so you can get it on video like you are. Keep coming in last? What made this country great was the middle class that was created by unions, and that is what you are trying to destroy.

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