The Traverse City Neck Tie

The record eagle wears its own tolerance of free speech and disagreement like the dirty underpants of a failed drunken ship’s captain.

The editorial today equating the birthers to racists crosses the line from responsible editorial opinion to unoriginal baiting and an attempt to stifle discussion.  In its editorial “parsing the subtext of the racist birther conspiracy” Traverse City Record Eagle editorial staff has again used the “R” word to label those who hold a differing view from their own.  The paper has called those who questioned the effort of Obama to hide his birth certificate for the last three years, outright racists.

The editorial starts off:

It’s time to recognize the “birther” conspiracy wingnuts for what they are.
They’re racists.
There is no other explanation for the circus sideshow that’s been going on since the inception of the Obama administration.

The start of this editorial is mild compared to the continuing ignorant vitriol designed to merely stifle free speech and offer an extreme leftist view of conservatives and those who’s only crime is to want to verify that the man who was elected president in 2008 is actually legal to occupy that office.  Continuing:

The birthers … just can’t stand the fact that a man born to a white mother and a black father could ever succeed …After all black people – even those of mixed race – are lazy and dumb, goes the real birther subtext.

Regardless of the code words, its all about race. particularly about the race of one man – the sitting president of the united states.

… enough is enough. It’s time for the birthers like Trump and Taitz and their Tea Party sympathizers – and yes even their cowardly fellow travelers in the party of Lincoln and Fox News – to shut up and slither away.

Absolutely incredible.

But I have PERSONALLY seen it before.  The fourth estate in Traverse City is in reality its own voice.  It represents nothing of truth or seeking of the truth no matter how ugly it may be.  It seeks only to propagandize to the ideological ends of the editorial writers, and doesn’t even do so with a level of decency.  I too, have been called out as a bigot, a racist.  Not even in a general manner.  Straight up and in-my-face. The label was printed in all 500 words and pasted upon the pages of the county wide distributed paper of record.

Why? Because I consider the act of homosexuality “unnatural.”  They had no interest in WHY I might have such an opinion.  These editors had no interest in who I am personally, who my friends are, or whether knowing such a thing would effectively nullify their overt attempt at destruction of my voice and attack on my character.

It was driven by the emotional over response of those who have as a religion, a political correctness.  A political correctness that serves Koolaid as poisonous to our public dialogue, as that which was offered to Jim Jones cult followers so many years ago.  Or perhaps as deadly to the the shores of Grand Traverse Bay, as an oil slick covering, and effectively suffocating some of the resident’s opinions.

When disagreement or contradictory thought arises, these editors go for the throat.  To shut up the opposition.  This “Traverse City Neck Tie” sends a message to other would be arguers to their cherished causes that they had better silence their dissent with the new reality and ‘enlightened’ view of the hard left.

A local radio host this morning calls this editorial out for what it is. “Garbage”

WTCM’s morning voice Ron Jolly suggests the RE editorial Board should “hang its head in shame” on this morning’s show.  He called it “Massive accusation of racism with nothing to back it up”

And he is right.  The fact of the matter is that there has been NO race suggestion by any of those who have asked for the birth certificate that was only JUST released after the president’s poll numbers were falling off.  The paper’s editors were admonished by Jolly to consider their words, and implied their hypocrisy, offering this advice: “Please do not say anything about talk radio again, you are not contributing to the civil discourse and dialogue” and referring to the last line of the editorial, “Please, using your own  words, stop the nonsense.”

The responsibility of a local paper is one that is quite large, and carries with it the potential for damage to community and open debate.  The spill over of the toxic print oil from the belly of the region’s primary paper news currently has only negative effect on open discourse and reasonable differences in opinion.

Who’s pen spawned this?  One who would hide behind the policy of no byline.  Pick your favorite one from below.

My guess is if you called and asked, they might tell you.  If they won’t, maybe the publisher will

Publisher 231-933-1403

 

 

42 comments for “The Traverse City Neck Tie

  1. Ann Laurence
    April 29, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Well, Jason, unlike many of your fellow travelers (pick your group), at least YOU read the Record-Eagle. The editorial is well-written, doesn’t mince words, and is an accurate depiction of the lunacy of the “birthers”. If you don’t like being called out as a bigot, quit acting (and writing) like one.

    • Racist drivel
      May 4, 2011 at 1:56 pm

      At what point does trying to articially make everything an issue on racism actually only serve to cause harm to race relations? We have a black president, how racist can we be? Listen to this person (Prof. Dyson) try to equate asking Obama for his grades as the equivalent as asking a slave for his papers. He is more interested in making money by selling books then he is in healing racial relations. His statements are inflamatory, prejudicial, and ignorant: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7364532n&tag=contentMain;contentBody Yet if I disagree with him, I am a racist? Absurd.

  2. JGillman
    April 29, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    So essentially you are telling me to shut up as well, because you do not have the capacity to understand any opinion outside of your own, or that which has been crafted for you?

    You know NOTHING about who I am Ann, other than the narrative created by the progressive thinkers who manage that part of your reasoning process.

    Apply critical thinking for once. This editorial was a horrid example of abuse of the power of press. At the very least it was immature and unprofessional.

    While I understand the difference in opinion that many on the editorial board might have with regard to this issue and others, it serves no constructive ends to continually call out as racist, everyone who does not subscribe to the progressive worldview.

    FAIL.

  3. April 29, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    They hit the nail on the head. This should have been put to bed in June 2008 when he released it; hell it should have been put to bed when he met the legal standard to get a passport. The fact that questions persist made no sense. The fact that there are still idiots out there that still question it just proves they have a problem with an African-American as the President.

    If you can offer a better explanation I would love to hear it.

    How is the editorial board trying to stifle free speech? I’ll bet they will even publish a letter from an extremist like you. “Like the dirty underpants of a failed drunken ship’s captain?” Where did you get that ridiculous analogy?

    • JGillman
      April 29, 2011 at 5:12 pm

      Obama apparently could have saved a couple million, but instead chose to milk the notoriety for political gain. When Trump put on his show, I guess the numbers turned the other way and it was time to release.

      Nail on the head? Nail IN the head maybe..

      Preemptive assassination of character. Take away the tools (reputation) of someone BEFORE they can respond. It disarms them if they allow it. At the very least any response looks reactive. A tool of the hard core progressive lefties like yourself Kev. C’mon now, don’t you recognize your own pet?

      As to the analogy, just ask Captain Hazelwood’s laundry lady about her task March 25th 1989.

      • April 29, 2011 at 7:10 pm

        That’s rich: “chose to milk the notoriety for political gain?” What political gain was he getting out of something he put to rest in June of 2008? Talk about spin. Trump was just trying to get ratings for his TV show, but he quickly learned that he has a real chance of being a legit candidate for the Republican nomination just by playing to the racist birthers. Make no mistake about it, they are racists.

        It says a lot about your party that Trump is a leading candidate. I hope he gets the nomination, but it doesn’t really matter who the sacrificial lamb is. “Any response looks reactive?” Again, that makes no sense. I, for one, want to hear the lame response of the birhters.

        “Preemptive assassination of character?” They were simply calling birthers what they are. The racist birthers like you are welcome to respond.

        The analogy does not make any sense even after you explain it, but that’s typical of the drivel you post. You should take a lesson from the editorial; it’s well written, clear and to the point; unlike the crap you post.

        • JGillman
          April 29, 2011 at 7:19 pm

          Shopshire, just keep posting. Its awesome entertainment.

          • May 1, 2011 at 10:42 am

            Probably not; It’s not like it takes much to debunk your twisted logic and outright lies.

  4. AG
    April 30, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    I don’t think you’re racist, Jason. That being said, its possible race plays a role in the mental inertia that makes less sophisticated voters (i.e., not the kind that blog about politics and policy) find “birtherism” easy to assume/believe.

    What truly bothers me about this phenomenon is that it represents a crude “grasping at straws” attempt to deny the President any legitimacy. Its not his race, or his family, or his upbringing. As with all conservative grievances, the true crime is Liberalism. I don’t take kindly to the allegation that my beliefs and ideas for this country are illegitimate.

    • JGillman
      April 30, 2011 at 10:56 pm

      Race has nothing to do with it, Period.

      I know plenty of folks that might be considered by some (certainly not I) to be “less sophisticated voters.” To a ONE, they would much rather see a Herman Cain (My personal favorite) an Allen West, or Alan Keyes as president instead of this miserable failure. And for most of them, at least the first and second over a John McCain, a Mitt Romney, or Tim Pawlenty.

      The Race Canard is as I have presented, merely a tool for those who have no other reasonable tools of debate.

      As for conservative grievances Mr R.,

      If your beliefs involve imposed will, beyond what is necessary to run government’s core functions, they are indeed functionally illegitimate. Its WHY there is a constitution. Something that defines those core functions. A static unwavering law that can only be changed by extraordinary measures.

      Your disagreement with that premise is of your own affair until you attempt to either change THROUGH those measures of effort, or failing that attempt to subvert it by implanting a severe misunderstanding through case law. The latter of course then requires those who DO understand the constitution to do whatever is within their means to enforce the constitution, including “grasping at straws” to remove the greatest offender.

      BTW.. interesting choice of Avatar.. Augustus Gaivs (Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus) the first emperor of Rome.

  5. May 1, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    For record, I don’t like his Marxist White half equally.

    All that Obowma, the great torch barer for douche bags such as Ann Richardson, née Laurence and the asshat from Howell, accomplished is playing King Putz with the American public for the past 3-4 years with a piece of paper. Obungler still sucks balls (theres your beloved teabagger ref for you Kev), the 52% of the commies that vote Dimocrat and their equally useless fence sitting Independent cohorts know it, and Obogey will be done in one term.

    Congratulations on the Long COLB game, Dimocrat Party drones. It is now Official that Obummer is the worst president ever.

    Jimmah Carter is relieved. Jimmah actually lived long enough to see you Dimocrats put up a bigger loser than he.

    • JGillman
      May 2, 2011 at 6:41 am

      Careful CS, you are starting to sound like the lefties at KOS.

    • May 2, 2011 at 7:58 am

      You’re hatred comes shining through, and like most irrational hatred, it’s based on nothing; or at least nothing the person has actually done. No, the worst president ever is Andrew Johnson, but GWB is among the worst at fifth. I don’t know who “Jimmah Carter” is, but if you mean President Carter, I don’t see him anywhere in the worst five. It’s nice to see President Obama did something Bush never could, bring the man responsible for 9/11 to justice.
      http://www.siena.edu/uploadedfiles/home/parents_and_community/community_page/sri/independent_research/Presidents%20Release_2010_final.pdf

      I guess that’s why President Obama is so admired.
      http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com/2010/12/president-barack-obama-is-most-admired.html

      To say this birther crap from teabaggers – the few that are left – is not about race is ridiculous. Show we this crap over any other presidential candidate. Hell, former GO candidates George Romney and John McCain were born overseas, and I never show this kind of crap about it.

      Obama will be “done in one term?” Good luck when your leading candidate is a morally bankrupt clown like Donald Trump.

      • JGillman
        May 2, 2011 at 8:24 am

        Overseas doesn’t mean nearly as much as splitting loyalties. You may not understand the concept, but that’s OK. I have limited expectations when seeing comments with your name attached.

        Nothing Obama has done deserves admiration. He has set up an unaccountable administration that rules by fiat. His agency chiefs are overstepping the executive authority they carry, and he has rewarded the loyalty of those who helped him obtain his position with taxpayer funds.

        He has divided this country like no other, but not for the reasons of race problems from OUR side. Its because of guys like you who hate the idea of independent achievement and the rewards for it. Its because while he lives the caviar and champagne lifestyle, he places at odds those who would aspire to said lifestyle and work towards it, to those who feel entitled by mandate.

        He has lied about being the most open and transparent government. He has consistently fought the release of ANY information about his personal life outside the book that he ‘wrote.’

        He is a Race Baiter as seen in the Pre-Beer summit.

        He is socialist. His friends are socialist, his cabinet, and CZARS are socialist. And you Mr Guru, are at least THAT and maybe a deeper shade of ‘ist.’ And of course you admire him.

        WORST PRESIDENT EVER.

        Having said that. Congratulations are in order for the killing of the muslim leader Osama Bin Laden.

        • May 2, 2011 at 9:22 am

          “Overseas doesn’t mean nearly as much as splitting loyalties?.” What does that mean? Where are his alleged “split loyalties?”

          “Nothing Obama has done deserves admiration?” The good news is that the majority of Americans disagrees with you, and only a small fringe share your racist views.

          “He has set up an unaccountable administration that rules by fiat. His agency chiefs are overstepping the executive authority they carry, and he has rewarded the loyalty of those who helped him obtain his position with taxpayer funds?” I think you have him mixed up with one of the worst presidents in U.S. History: George “heck of a Job Brownie” Bush.

          Oh, he has divided this country, not the racist rhetoric from idiot birhers like you who still howl about him not being born in the U.S. when you have had that evidence 2008? No, its people like you who can’t stand the thought of a black president in the White House, and have to stoop to crap like birtherism even when the evidence is staring them in the face. There is no other explanation for it. Again, tell me when anyone has ever asked for the birth certificate of any other presidential candidate, and then even after he has met the legal standard.

          Wow. “He lives the caviar and champagne lifestyle?” Unbelievable. When the gap between the rich and the rest of us is the widest since the 1920s and the tax bite in this country is the lowest it has even been, you continue to advocate for the rich.

          The only race baiters are racist teabaggers and birther like you.

          I already linked to the worst president ever, and it’s not President Obama.

          Yes, like the majority of Americans I do admire President Obama. As for me being a socialist or worse, I’m not, but coming from the likes of you, I will simply take that as a compliment.

          • JGillman
            May 2, 2011 at 10:04 am

            What is your definition of ‘socialist’ Kevin.

      • May 2, 2011 at 9:56 am

        Ahhhhh, the “hate” card and unhinged minimization from a Progressive. Thanks Kev, but coming from your racist ideology background it’s the only subversion you have left to run on.

        It’s fine with me. It’s just what you are Kev, everything is about race with your lot in life. And, I don’t believe that Progressives are subconsciously racist. I believe that their racism is intentional and deliberate. Since the middle 1960s, Blacks have consistently, and overwhelmingly voted Democratic Party, and many social programs are geared towards keeping Blacks dependent on government so that this vote is assured. The last thing that Progressives can afford is our nation’s black population to become independent and self-sufficient.

        Reform of our educational system, reform of our welfare system, insistence on economic and personal freedom, well, these are all Conservative ideologies that are color blind and lead to decreased dependence on government and increase opportunities for all Americans. Progressives believe that they are morally superior to everyone else, and the last thing they need is rancor and dissension in one of their primary voting blocs. That is racism at its core and is deliberate.

        This Progressive ideology is not just limited to the Black vote, which Progressives believe is still assured. Progressives target the Hispanic community for the same type of treatment; essentially spreading and promoting racism with regard to another identifiable group as well.

        However, it is nice to see that Trump is also living rent free in that Progressive head of yours, Kev. I underestimated the size of its vacancy due to its only prior occupant being Palin. Perhaps The Donald’s next accomplishment will be forcing ObaMao to release the real numbers on all those jobs saved or created with his trillion dollar stimulus.

        Kev, I’ll give you this on Usama being dead… SoetorObama has soundly maintained most every policy Dubya had in place… Gitmo, Iraq, Afghanistan, CIA, Spec. Ops., etc. Mission Accomplished, Dubya.

        Another shout out to SEAL Team SIX. Born out of a true American counter-terror bad-ass, Richard Marcincko.

        And, yes, “done in one term”. Your beloved resident Obogey’s undoing will be an eclipsed peanut farmer hero of yours stagflation. Bottom line, it’s the failure of Progressive policy as socialism has failed the world over anywhere its been tried, but just to make your head explode while beating your one note drum…

        Welcome half-Black, Carter.

        Now, GFY

        • May 2, 2011 at 12:44 pm

          “Unhinged minimization?” “Racist ideology background?” well, I guess if you’re going to lie, you might as well go big.

          Again, tell me any other presidential candidate that was hounded to show his birth certificate, even after he met the legal standard to run for president. Anyone, just one.

          A lot of words that say absolutely nothing, and you continue to duck the basic question.

          In your dreams, he is a one term president. Please tell me who in the clown car of Republican wannabes is going to beat President Obama. I have shown you who the worst presidents in U.S. history are, and they are not Obama or Carter.

          Really, “GFY?” You can’t say fuck? After reading this crap, it sounds like you were fucking yourself when you wrote it.

          • JGillman
            May 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm

            Hey loser. Cool it with the language. As primitive as your mind might be, see if you can keep the swearing to a minimum. mmk?

          • May 2, 2011 at 1:26 pm

            I hear ya; maybe Corinthian Scales will refrain from the language.

          • May 2, 2011 at 2:11 pm

            Awesome! I get free rent in that Progressive skull of yours too, Kevy?

            Yessiree, everything about you is “crap” and “lies” when not in lockstep agreement with your demented worldview. I’m so shocked. Kevy, you’re such an original.

            Progressive trolls such as yourself have a major one issue problem, everything about you centers upon race and the strict adherence in keeping minorities on the Dimocratic Party plantation. That is you. Resident Obogey is your coveted social justice trophy. Enjoy him for the remainder of his one term.

            When it comes down to it, Kevy, Resident Obogey, Former Speaker Blinky (that feels so good to write), Stupak, ect., are your kind of folk. They, like you, are all demented enough to somehow think that our Constitution is a living breathing thing, yet a six week old fetus is not.

            Proving once again that Progressivism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, all the same Lefty ideology, is a mental disorder. You fit the bill, Kevy.

            And again, GFY

  6. May 3, 2011 at 8:17 am

    “I get free rent in that Progressive skull of yours too?” Does the bullshit you writer even make sense to you, Connie?

    “Progressive troll?” I used to comment on wrongmichigan but the PR flack that used to run it banned me because he could not stand being debunked. When I see this crap like this, I debunk it. You should stick to the name calling because neither one of you has said a single word to back up your opinion or premise. The fact remains that you continue to try and delegitimize this presidency because you cannot stand having a black man in the White House. If there is another explanation for irrigational birthers, I would love to hear it. Again, tell me what other presidential candidate was hounded for a birth certificate after he met the legal standard to run for president.

    By the way, I prefer liberal to progressive; after all, liberalism made this country great.

    Do you think the shit you spew is clever and witty? Any facts? I didn’t think so.

    And again, you must be fucking yourself when you write this crap.

    • JGillman
      May 3, 2011 at 8:27 am

      Actually I believe you were banned for unacceptable language and limited prefrontal cortex application..

      • May 3, 2011 at 10:23 am

        That would be incorrect, but that’s the normal mode for you.

    • May 3, 2011 at 11:17 am

      Awwwwww, Kevy… you gave me the keys to penthouse too? It’s kinda nice… sparsely equipped, dimly lit, but spacious rent free living in a racist Progressive trolls head. Thanks, Kev.

      Keep on banging your one note race hustling Progressive drum, Kev.

      Happy Tuesday, and GFY

      • May 3, 2011 at 11:42 am

        Like I said, when you are void of facts, this is what you have to do. Keep banging your one note race hustling extremist drum instead of real facts. But a bit of advice, connie, you should refrain from fucking yourself when you write; perhaps it might make sense.

        • May 3, 2011 at 11:50 am

          Boy! You sure debunked that one, Kevy… “I know you are but what am I”? So accomplished. So original. So race hustling Progressive.

          TTFN.

          Oh! And, before I leave… GFY

          • May 3, 2011 at 12:59 pm

            I’m still waiting for some facts, connie, to back up your position.

    • Racist drivel
      May 4, 2011 at 2:01 pm

      The birth argument is relatively new in our lifetime, but the left hounded Bush for his grades and called him stupid for only getting Cs. I don’t recall anyone who asked for Bush’s grades being labeled as a racist? Why is that the case now? The truth is Barack is President, he is being treated as an equal, and he is getting treated as all presidents before him have. To treat him differently is actually to buy into the fact that he is somehow not up to snuff. At what point does trying to articially make everything an issue on racism actually only serve to cause harm to race relations? We have a black president, how racist can we be? Listen to this person (Prof. Dyson) try to equate asking Obama for his grades as the equivalent as asking a slave for his papers. He is more interested in making money by selling books then he is in healing racial relations. His statements are inflamatory, prejudicial, and ignorant: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7364532n&tag=contentMain;contentBody Yet if I disagree with him, I am a racist? Absurd.

  7. May 3, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Facts? You operate on fact? That’s rich race hustling Progressive, Kev. You have presented no fact in anything.

    No, Kev. Racist Progressives such as yourself only serve to move the ball by squirming on fact.

    Fact #1: “By the way, I prefer liberal to progressive; after all, liberalism made this country great.” – Kevin Shopshire on May 3, 2011 at 8:17am

    Race hustling Progressive Kev, Fact #2: “Kevin Shopshire is a former print journalist, a retired military NCO and a progressive…”

    Your own written words are not even fact.

    Move the ball. Twist the word. Declare lies and crap. Accuse racism when there isn’t any. Hide out in Howell and circle jerk social justice for all instead of living the spoils of 49 years of your Party Liberalism in the City of Detroit. But that’s not hypocrisy. Noooooooo, not for your kind.

    Bottom line, Kevy… you’re just another in the long line of mental deficit Progressive race pimps and a complete pissant in comparison to real attention grabbing race pimp Progressives in your wannabe Geoffrey Fieger likeness.

    GFY

    • May 3, 2011 at 3:56 pm

      Fact #1: By the way, I prefer liberal to progressive; after all, liberalism made this country great. Very true, I agree. No problem, connie; I’ll change it. It’s sad that we let scum bags like you make something that has so made this country great a dirty word.

      “ Hide out in Howell?” How am I hiding out in Howell? If I was hiding, I would use a fake name like you are; the fact that you know where I live and had the audacity to call my home shows I’m not hiding, despite the history of violence from rightwing extremists.

      Bottom line, “”connie” you have no facts to back up your position, so you have to stoop to this BS. It really shows how I hit the nail on the head that you come so unhinged when I called you out on your racism.

      • May 3, 2011 at 4:43 pm

        Truly sad, Kev. And, now accusations of “call my home”? Amazing. Now I have to add delusional paranoid on top of being a mental deficit. Seriously, the Right-wing violence canard too? I guess you never got over accepting Oswald, Sirhan & Ray being on your Lefty political team. That’s history you can’t change, even in your delusional written drivel.

        Bottom line, Kev, all that you have done here is outted yourself as the race hustling Progressive sleaze that you are and as a parasitic looter on society. Change your classification name from Progressive to Liberal as many times as you want. You outted yourself. You are indeed sleaze. And a dimwit.

        Now blow away Progressive/Liberal race hustling trolling sleaze.

        And don’t forget to GFY

        • May 3, 2011 at 8:35 pm

          An accusation, so you are denying it?

          Really, “you never got over accepting Oswald, Sirhan & Ray being on your Lefty political team?” Yes, I am because they are not, and you have to go back 40 years to make an untrue accusation? Sad.

          No, I have “outted” you, connie, as the racist you are that cannot back up your position, so you stoop to false, personal attacks. But, coming from a racist like you, I take them as compliments.

          And don’t forget to stop fucking yourself while writing; maybe you can back up your position. On second thought, you had best stick to the false, personal attacks.

          • May 3, 2011 at 9:02 pm

            {yawn}

            Kevy the factually bankrupt race hustling delusional paranoid Progressive/Liberal mental deficit pissaant Fieger wannabe troll is back.

            Soooo surprised.

            Sooooooooo GFY

  8. May 3, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Let me know if you can back up your position. Then again, racism is irrational, so I won’t hold my breath.

    • May 3, 2011 at 10:07 pm

      I have backed up my position, repeatedly. You talk around it like the sleazy slippery Liberal asshat that you are. Kevin, you’re a racist Liberal and only see things within that as manipulation for enslaving or to outcast others. It doesn’t work with me. I’ve seen too many of you failed aging flower children blooming idiot types over the years to see much value with anything you rattle on about.

      You’re also the Progressive dipsh!t that lives in Howell and are not embracing that monument to your Liberalism by living in the City of Detroit. Not me. You are the prototypical Liberal. A self-loathing hypocrite that lashes out on all others by any means necessary. I’ve read enough of your work to make that informed statement.

      In the world of men and equality, you are merely a race hustling bitter aging Liberal pissant in Howell. Nothing more. Nothing less.

      Normally at this point I’d leave you with a GFY, but not this time, Kevin. With your every keystroke from now on anywhere on the net, I along with many others know that you are.

      Good day… post turtle

      • May 4, 2011 at 7:47 am

        Sorry, connie, but you have not backed up your position, repeatedly, or otherwise. Again, what other Presidential candidate was hounded for their birth certificate after they met the legal standard to run for president? What reason does anyone have to doubt President Obama was not born in the U.S. after he presented the legal document that met the legal standard in June of 2008? The Traverse City Record Eagle gave the answer.

        “Failed aging flower children?” I was in the military for 20 years; there are not many “flower children” there. I lie in Howell because it’s my wife’s hometown; not that it’s any of your business. But hell, connie, if you want to buy my house for what I paid for it, I’ll gladly move to Lansing. Although I would love to live in Detroit when some of my former colleagues have moved, it’s too long to drive to get to work.

        “I along with many others know that you are?” That’s some accomplishment since I use my real name, instead of using a false name like you, connie. After all, it was not hard for you to get my home phone number.

        • May 5, 2011 at 1:48 pm

          {Gasp!}

          Wait! What’s this? I’m shocked.

          Kevin, your juvenile game is more than blatant in written word, and once again, I will state my position even clearer for you. So… Kevy, take your ushanka off that grizzled widow’s peak melon of yours, throw your cheaters on those beady almost too close together eyes and hop up on your chair with the comfy outdated yellow pages stacked on the seat ya perfidious senescence cat’s-paw poor man’s Frank Llewellyn, and pay attention this fleeting time… from the top.

          “For record, I don’t like his Marxist White half equally.

          All that Obowma, the great torch barer for douche bags such as Ann Richardson, née Laurence and the asshat from Howell, accomplished is playing King Putz with the American public for the past 3-4 years with a piece of paper. Obungler still sucks balls (theres your beloved teabagger ref for you Kev), the 52% of the commies that vote Dimocrat and their equally useless fence sitting Independent cohorts know it, and Obogey will be done in one term.

          Congratulations on the Long COLB game, Dimocrat Party drones. It is now Official that Obummer is the worst president ever.

          Jimmah Carter is relieved. Jimmah actually lived long enough to see you Dimocrats put up a bigger loser than he.” – Corinthian Scales on May 1, 2011 at 4:40pm

          What you find difficult to accept, as like all other Progressives, is that I just don’t like your Obamessiah. You, along with your Progressive collective idolize Resident Obysmal as if he is a deity. I don’t and never will, so you, along with your Progressive collective take it upon yourselves to use any means necessary to minimize others in attempt to outcast opinion by interjecting race for every issue surrounding those that dare “blasphemy” your mixed race deity when questioned. Post turtle Kevin, your actions would make the followers of Muhammad(p!ss be upon him) proud. And, all of that matters little to me as I have repeatedly stated and will continue to state my dislike for your Resident Obummer remains with the fact that he is a Marxist. Marxism knows no racial boundaries as you Kevin, are living proof as fact.

          To spell out:

          “what other Presidential candidate was hounded for their birth certificate after they met the legal standard to run for president?”

          Only the candidate that was not completely vetted by your fellow Progressive collective in the press, in which, that idolized candidate and/or his campaign saw opportunity of racial castigation gamesmanship in withholding reasonable supporting information from those that may be a inquisitive American public. To this very day if the American public dare any questioning of your Obamessiah, it is declared blasphemy by your Progressive collective through the questions subversion somehow relating to race. It’s just what post turtles such as yourself in the Progressive collective do. Fortunately, you along with your Progressive collective do it with such frequency that it neutralizes your desired effect of submission for a growing number in the American public who recognize the fact it is your last resort in any discussion. Hell, with you and your Progressive collective in the press, it’s more often than not your first response.

          “What reason does anyone have to doubt President Obama was not born in the U.S. after he presented the legal document that met the legal standard in June of 2008?”

          Your insular Progressive collective in the press presents reason to question eligibility every day that more suppressed information is discovered surrounding your idolized Marxist Resident Obogey. The question of “born in the U.S.” has been of little issue with me. Qualification is. That matter also surrounds a recently discovered suppression of information by your fellow Progressive collective in the press that sat on FIOA documents in regard to BHO, Sr. on record a polygamist illegal alien denied visa extension by INS just to name one. Stop right there, Kevy. Before you start, do your own homework and look for the information yourself. You can whine and stomp your feet all you want, I’m not providing it for you. Back to issue, the American public should have been and still should be able to question exactly what this means and/or where this could lead to, be it in a courtroom that should be free of obstruction or merely open discussion without subversive interjection of race by you or your Progressive collective in the press as deflection and/or to minimize others. Truth should be the foremost objective for all in our nation, not the marginalizing use of ones complexion of skin as tool for artificial suppression as it equally should not artificially elevate either.

          Bottom line Kevin the post turtle, it’s your Progressive/Liberal/Marxist totalitarian <that will be condensed later. You'll know it when seen.] way of life you cling to and try to force upon others that I dislike whether you would be your socialist Commander-in-Chicken anti-Semite Jimmah Carter or the current Marxist Resident ObaMao; it's not about race for me. With you and your kind, it is; any means necessary.

          Frankly, I'm not all that impressed with your adolescent choice resulting a government naval job. Remember, I read your self-aggrandizing screeds. In your era plenty Progressives/Liberals made the same choice of taking short haired government pay while your other long haired Progressive/Liberal cohorts were burning bras, divorcing, aborting babies, getting high and raising hell on campuses, and bombing the Pentagon. A Progressive/Liberal is a Progressive/Liberal no matter where its pension check comes from. Thankfully, I know there are many, many more fine service men and women in the ideological likeness of a now Representative Allen West, which serve and have served our Founding Fathers gifted Republic with pride and truly understand what a Republic and American Exceptionalism is all about and love it dearly.

          Also, in regard to your poor choice housing investment, that is not my problem. Just as with your errand boy propagandist lackey jobs in Lansing, it's not my problem either. Nor is it my responsibility or burden to purchase your dwelling at what your purchased price was, but has again served as excuse for your hypocrisy with you not partaking in the Progressive lifestyle among the Progressives Utopian monument of high taxes, failed schools, poor services, high insurance, high unemployment and high crime City of Detroit. Yes, Kevin the post turtle, your entire life of growing up in a predominately White Monroe to now residing in a predominately White Howell in what you say is the pants wearer of your relationship deciding for you as an adult is outrageously hypocritical as you indiscriminately blanket others racist. However, that is just historically what the collectivist Progressive co-opted Democratic Party on the local level such as pissant you and bigger pissants such as Fieger practice as maintaining a powerbase from a safe distance over those conditioned by your Party Marxist welfare state ideology to not independently think or exist for themself. Although, there are uplifting signs of those willing to break lose those chains as 25% just walked away from Detroit leaving behind more than you can possibly equate with your ostensible Howell dwelling loss in comparison.

          Still with your absurd canard allegation of a phone number? Earth to pissant Kevin aging Neo-Com, get over your delusion of you being any kind of importance with the boorishly childish attention you seek. I do not have nor do I desire to ever have, or much less any interest in calling your home phone number. Rest assured that my only interest has been, and ever will only be, as online amusement for passing time on a lazy spring day and allowing use of me for your dais to giddily spectacle yourself as an aging perfidious myopic race hustling pissant Neo-Com with an underwater dwelling in Howell.

          Now, if by chance someone actually did call you as you allege, chances are it is owed merely to coincidence in that you are in passing thought an offensive asshole to many about you in everyday life.

          Hope. Change. You're a racist.

          {rolls eyes towards the heavens while shaking head}

          These are my final words on this matter.

          Good day

          Aw what the heck, one last time. Enjoy your echo chamber and… G F Y

          • May 7, 2011 at 10:30 am

            Do you thing that crap you spew is clever? Were you drunk when you wrote this shit, connie?

            Again, racist, tell me what other presidential candidate was hounded for his birth certificate, and what presidential candidate was asked to produce it after he met all the legal requirements to run or to even get a passport.

            You can’t, and you can spew as many words and false personal attacks as you like, but you can’t change that basic fact.

            “The question of “born in the U.S.” has been of little issue with me. Qualification is?” What exactly does that mean? The president was born in the U.S., and that’s the only qualification.

            I already showed you who presidential historians think the worst presidents in U.S. history are, and it’s not Obama or Carter. Bush, however, is among the worst.

            Wrong again connie, plenty of liberals have criticized Obama, but few if any Republicans ever criticized Bush when he was running up huge deficits and throwing us into the worst recession since the Great Depression. Now, they care about deficits?

            “Adolescent choice resulting (sic) a government naval job?” So much for respect for the military. The alleged respect for the military we get from right-wingers like you is just another false talking point and a charade. I spent 20 years in the Navy; how is that an “adolescent choice?”

            Now, I don’t consider where I live a “poor choice housing investment.” There is nothing wrong with making your spouse happy by being near family, and who knew Bush was going to blow up the economy. If you think only homeowners in Howell are underwater then you are as dumb as your writing demonstrates. By the way, Monroe is not “predominately White.” Besides, I have lived in Chicago, Norfolk, Sicily, Charleston and Jacksonville.

            As for you calling my house, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. But getting calls from deranged right-wingers like you is to be expected when you take ownership of what you write instead of hiding behind a false name like you do, connie, and launch false disgusting attacks knowing you will never have to take responsibility for them like the coward you are.

            Hey connie, you should stop fucking yourself and stop drinking when you write this crap. This is what we get when you have no facts; hateful, false personal attacks.

            Let me know when you have some facts.

  9. May 4, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Apples and oranges. No one ever said shrub was ineligible to be president, just unqualified, and that remains true; especially after the mess he left the country in.

    Sorry, the truth is President Obama is being disrespect like no other president. No one can tell me, or refuses to tell me, the reason for this birther flak, or what other presidential candidate was hounded for his birth certificate after he met the legal standard for running. The reason is racism, pure and simple.

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